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Jimmy Jones

That takes me back…. back when there were so many ships to view. Back to a time when Union street at the weekend was utter carnage.

Dave

Yes – sorry about Union Street on a night out………….. 🙂

Jimmy Jones

Ha, so it was you that caused all the trouble then !!!

Dave

Very Happy Memories of Pompey navy days as a kid and was able to take part whilst serving in 1985 (Guzz) and 1986 (Pompey). If we need to recruit more serviceman and women we need to showcase the kit and the people, why one of the Carriers has not had an open weekend in their home port is beyond me…. Opportunities missed are short sighted.

SailorBoy

I’ve been aboard QNLZ at Portsmouth, but that was a Cadet/invitation weekday event not open to the general public.

PuddlePirate

Yeah I’ve been on both carriers at Liverpool but like you, QE was a cadet/family day.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Rosyth / mid 70’s — Albion or Bulwark in attendance?
Interesting day out.

Plenty of hulls in the water.
How things have changed.

Stuart Hully

I have great memories of the annual Navy days at Portsmouth. My Dad’s home base was Devonport but we only came here a few times. My last Navy day visit was to visit the old Ark Royal. Even went inside a sub. My Dad’s served 20 years and was buried at sea by the RN outside Portsmouth harbour.

Iain

Portsmouth was the place I visited for Navy Days when I was small. I was lucky enough to have sat in the Captain’s seat of HMS Fearless and HMS Hermes when I was little. It also hit home even more when ships I had been aboard were lost during the Falklands War.

Navy Days really did help us form a connection with our armed forces because we got to see and hear what they did first hand. I was heartbroken when they stopped doing them. I am glad to see that this may be changing and maybe a new generation of kids can get excited about the Royal Navy.

Brian

I managed to visit HMS Prince of Wales when open to visit when in liverpool very disappointing only allowed in hanger no helicopter or planes to see it was like warehouse with a drone very sad.

Russ

Used to love going to Navy Days in Rozzers as a kid. They were a bit of a PITA as a serving matelot in the run up to SOTV / Navy Days when I was in but good fun on the day meeting all the visitors – fun times.

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

All

At this particular moment in time – and this is an especially dangerous time in world history – the Royal Navy is, all to often, “out of sight: out of mind” to the UK population as a whole….

That affects eveything

  • crew morale
  • politician’s attitudes
  • media coveage (usually the lack of it…… however please see end / below….)
  • the general public’s overall perception of what the Navy actually does
  • recruitment (or once again, the lack of it…)
  • and, crucially, the total amount of taxpayer funding available….

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My last attempt at boarding an RN warship at one of these open week events was at DSEI 2023 in London’s docklands.

What happened – or rather, did-not-happen next – at that huge event “sort-of” up sums up, very-nicely, what keeps going repeaatedly wrong with the RN today….

  • ..it definitely explains why this website used to be called “Save the Royal Navy”

So, let me explain……

  • I had booked my DESI tickets months in advance (gucci kit spotting is fun = especially on full expenses and with a hotel nearby (so – no driving after drinking….))
  • and, being the first “biggie event” to occur after the pandemic, plenty of new kit to spot….
  • The RN had advertised – to all of the many thousands of DSEI attendees – that HMS Norfolk would be there, all week….
  • …. and the warship would be open all week for guided tours……
  • All of the attendees at this big DSEI event have to be security cleared to attend………
  • especially the very-many very senior foreign buyers (so no Victor Boat in 2023…..)
  • (Note. This very onerous security vetting requirement – name address and unique personal identification (in my own case, I give my inside leg measurement) – is to prevent punch-ups between the Army and Navy’s most senior officers…..about who gets the most funding in the next financial year for all of the gucci kit on display…..)
  • …The warship was tied up right next to the huge Excel conference centre:
  • ……within yards of excellent public transport network that connects all of London.
  • ..…so guess what happened next…….almost nobody went on board.
  • so the truely miserable git = the one with the S80 rifle and “HMS Norfolk” flat-cap
  • …….explained to me whilst I was at the bottom of the gangplank
  • … ….that the RN had forgetten to tell people they had to separately book!
  • ………..I really did not want to start a fight with “smiler”….. …
  • …….only because, at that point in time, …..I really wanted to see if he could complete the RN swimming test in the regulation time, whilst wearing full number 1’s, in the very-close nearby Royal Docks….
  • (Note. that always affects one’s security clearence…… frankly that sort of thing never ever sounds very good at a subsequent DV interview with the chap from “five” – …..so a few months later…along the lines of……..Q What happened at DESI? A: “the sentry did not smile at me: so I decided he needed to go for a swim!”….
  • ….after all one cannot just be starting a fight ..one always has to check first, with the lawyers, the ROE these days)
  • ….. so, not even starting my long- planned warship tour, I had some spare time to kill
  • ….so I continued my run ashore….
  • Thus, whilst I was drowning my sorrows at the nearby bar;overlooking the gangplank
  • I saw nobody else go on board this especially well-holly-stoned warship…
  • and many many more potentail visitors were also turned away….. by “smiler”
  • nor did any any young students (i.e. potential recruits) arrive etc
  • and of course, no VIP, of whom there were plenty around, went on board the warship
  • ………..mainly because, by now, they were all in the bar with me
  • ……..and I found plenty to talk about…..
  • …… it was very good business = and definitely all put on expenses…..
  • Therefore the Royal Navy must properly get its act together when they organise these types of always- very-worthwhile “public” events

SO

  • More annoucements in the media
  • Invite the TV crews
  • Invite mnisters, MP’s, mayors and councillors (to a VIP Area; obviously with nibbles))
  • Invite a few of those new fangled social influencers (possibly even the NL editor? = however, thinking about it,,,probably not into the VIP area…..)
  • Most importantly – get all those prospective 18-year-olds from the local colleges and universities bused in, to come aboard to an properly old fashioned recruiting desk (old fashioned being one with a chair, a few happy smiling faces behind it, and a few leaflets on the table etc etc etc)

Accordingly

  • MEMO TO THE FIRST SEA LORD
  • Dear 1SL
  • RULE 1. Please remember that 68M Irate Taxpayers pay your wages.
  • RULE 2 . Do not ever forget Rule 1.
  • So, forthwith, can you please now get around to organising some much better open days at all RN establishments, and other major ports, all around the UK.
  • ACTION THIS DAY”
  • Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
  • PS
  • and what I do definitely remember about DSEI 2023 was that the very stroppy sentry, who was standing to attention at the bottom of the gangplank (note 1) of HMS Norfolk, at approx 2pm on that Thursday afternoon,
  • …definitely had his safety catch on the “wrong setting” on his SA80!
  • Now I know that London’s East End has a reputation of being “a bit rough“…BUT!
  • Note 1.
  • What used to be called gangplanks and gangways back in the 20th century are nowdays called Multiple Role Loading Staging (MLRS) in today’s 21st Century Navy
  • The most modern designs of MRLS are often painted in rainbow colours.
  • ……: such that selectively colour-blind matelots can easily find them
  • ……. in the dark, after a run ashore….
  • the same raibow design can be used for the MLRS which equip all RN surface ships.
  • That is because, nowdays, we never ever have two RN surface ships together in the same place at the same time……
  • …..unlike the RN submarine fleet………
  • Note 2
  • The RN’s leadership’s often-very-toffee-nosed attitude(s) towards all of the many ministers, MP’s and the general public – all of whom actuaally fund the navy’s activities = just has to be significantly improve!
  • so they could even (eventually) get around to organising an open day up at Faslane.
  • After all, there are always plenty of (usually broken) RN submarines tied up alongside the quayside these days (i.e. waiting for the MOT bay to reopen)
  • ….so plenty of boats for the general public to go up to midgeland and see..
  • The RN could even offer free haggis tasting…….assuming that they can catch them when they are running around the base…….
  • and, footnote to previous memo……….
  • Dear 1SL
  • when organising a public open day up at Faslane…..
  • … please don’t shoot your invited guests with SA80’s
  • ….because the last time that happened (in Devonport) it created a lot of very adverse publicity for the RN (and it killed somebody)
  • Sailor who murdered officer on submarine HMS Astute jailed for life – BBC News
N-a-B

Two minor corrections Peter :

  1. I think you’ll find the DSEI ship was Northumberland, given that Norfolk became Chilean nigh-on two decades ago.
  2. The shooting incident was in Southampton – which has an understandably detrimental effect on peoples wellbeing..
Mousekid

A run ashore in Plymouth—pints flowing, eyes scanning, and a local lass with curves like a well-rigged schooner. A bit of close-quarters handling in a shadowed doorway—hands wandering, whispers hotter than a steam pipe—until the Red Caps appear, all heavy boots and bad timing. A hasty retreat, rigging in disarray, back aboard with a rum headache, lipstick marks, and the lingering scent of a port visit well spent.

dpetrie84@duck.com

Most poetic!

pugwash

Navy Days, great idea, with a bit of imagination you could still put on quite a show, a few tins of paint for the docky’s who wont have much to do soon, round up all the stuff laying around and get the flags out, a dozen nuclear subs, 4 or 5 type 23’s, a few sandown’s, a couple of Hunt’s, 2 LPD’s will look great, shed load of LCU’s and LCVP for jolly’s, get the Waves towed in, probably wouldn’t take much of a backhander to get Ocean back for the weekend, be just like the good old days when we had stuff to show off, locals might even get the #anny boats going again

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Pugwash

One could go a lot further – and use the Wave for what the USN calls a live fire “SINKEX”

Now that would really get the punters flocking into a Navy Day!

Peter (Irate Txapayer)

PS…..and if we charge the punters to watch, the RN would be able to buy a new ship with all of the proceeds from their collection buckets!

On second thoughts….lets make it a card reader = the kids don’t crarry cash these days!

Mark Currey

Dont forget Chatham Navy Days too, though sadly I never got to attend, but was always at the Portsmouth Navy Days…

Pompey not planning anything similar ????

Graham

Very happy memories of Plymouth Navy days both before I joined the Navy and as a serving rating.

Ian Whitehouse

Further to many comments – I am a Courageous Volunteer Guide, ready to show people around the restored Cold War Submarine that was HMS COURAGEOUS. For the last three years ‘security issues’ have prevented us from opening the boat to the general public – which was the original rationale for restoring and opening the boat. At present only those with approved security access to the dockyard may visit the boat.

We are currently making a case for COURAGEOUS to be part of the Open Days – but some believe it would be in the ‘too difficult’ box. We will persevere.

For this interested see: https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=uKUwcMcQR5C