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Fat Bloke on Tour

Uncrewed ships with a NA scale autonomous mission profile — going down the same rabbit hole as the lights out factory of 40 years ago.

How far away from support will they be able to operate?
How close will the bad guys come to influence the mission?
Bays with a set of toys in the welldeck would be a better place to start.

CABOT — contractor owned systems?
The MOD’s rentier vibe strikes again.

BAe’s cash is cheaper than the Treasury’s cash?
Bonanza for lawyers more like.

Nicholas

All very good points.
‘BAe’s cash is cheaper than the Treasury’s cash?’ Very much like PFI, treasury money is always cheaper than private.

Supportive Bloke

I’m no fan of PFI.

However, could this be MoD and BAES collaborating to produce an exportable system?

Duker

Yes. In a piece on Naval News the whole performance lingo was on offer

It is envisaged that delivery will be split into two phases. Phase 1 – designated ATLANTIC NET – would deliver ‘ASW as a service’ through a Contractor Owned, Contractor Operated, Naval Oversight (COCONO) model using lean crewed, remotely operated or autonomous uncrewed systems operated by an industry mission partner.

 “ATLANTIC NET would see acoustic data, triaged by AI/ML algorithms, supplied to a secure Remote Operations Centre for analysis by RN staff,” said the MoD engagement notice.

Director ASW SDI in Navy Command’s Maritime Capability team. Commodore rtd.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Buzzword bingo turned up to 11.

Is their no fad that the MOD / Service brains trust doesn’t want to get involved in?
Beyond parody / very current — AI is included as it must given its current prominence.

Can we not just stick to pattern matching and meta data.
That is what will be on offer not Minority Report style drama.

Bonkers mental and then some.
Is there no one in the RN that can think for themselves?

Maverick containers — MI6 project or a MOD venture?
We need to start at the bottom and work our way up.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Do we monitor stray / maverick containers on the high seas?

The stuff that falls of the back of a poorly stacked containership in a storm …

Or so you would think.

Given they have 75m3 of mission space inside I think we need to give it a go.

Either that or we launch few ourselves and use a Bay to act as sheepdog.

Base point — I wonder if the stray container issue is particularly bad in the Red Sea?

DaveyB

It would be interesting to get your thoughts on what would be/are the rules of engagement when uncrewed vehicles are used and caught in the act of conducting sabotage of critical underwater infrastructure or sea based power generation? Similarly when not in a conflict and a crewed underwater vehicle is found in the act of doing sabotage, what would be the legal and appropriate response?

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

All

With respect to a “visting author” , one whom I think is writing here on NL for the first time….. …….all of this business about protection of CNI (Critical National Infrastructuture) is hardly “new stuff”

Because the RN very sucessfully used commercial cable laying ships – those propely equipped with grapples and big heavy anchors – to cut enemy communications cables in

  • 1914
  • 1939
  • 1982

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And so we come onto the development of new technology to deal with what is actually quite an old subject

“Type 92 Sloop (an uncrewed surface vessel) and the Type 93 (a drone submarine)”

A reality check is coming up next…..

The RN’s other uncrewed project – minehunting – is running years late and is well over its planned budget

Minehunting is far far simplier than deep underwater……………

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Whale Island Zookeeper

The ocean is large and deep. I expect losses of these platforms will not be ‘uncommon’.

Jon

Then they must be made very cheaply and very secure.

Whale Island Zookeeper

They will neither be cheap or small.

Sailorboy

Not a lawyer (thankfully) , but surely the response would be to approach closely and as best as possible record exactly what is going on.
You then publicise the footage and shame the offending party for their clumsiness.
Not even the Russians would carry on attaching limpet mines to pipelines with a UUV sitting there, seeing everything.

David MacDonald

I absolutely understand the vital need for reconnaissance, surveillance and monitoring but would like to know, when and if we find a hostile craft doing something not should not be doing, and if necessary asking it politely to desist, how to we sink it?

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

David M

A VSS (Very Simple Solution)

= launch a NSM (or two) at the hostile / offending / enemy ship.

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

PS Sailorbouy:please don’t get the lawyers involved = because they only procrastinate: and thus look to find excuses not to do the right thing…….