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David Molloy

thank you for highlighting this cause.

X

We should be ashamed of our naval heritage efforts.

borg

Crikey mate, Is this the most Upvotes you’ve ever had on here ?

X

Yes. But the sad sack has downvoted many of my posts here and in the last thread again multiple times. I have spoken again with site owners and told them it makes their site look stupid.

Sunmack

Who ever is doing it clearly derives enjoyment from how much it’s winding you up. Just ignore it and they’ll get sick of it when there’s no reaction to entertain them

Frank J Bartling

Naval vessels left stationary out in the open air,
lead to the formation of rust,and that especially
concerns submarines/onderzeeboten in my language.
Wouldn,t it be a good idea,to have the sub housed in a
square container/box made of glass of some sorts with
an airconditioning system to keep moist at a low level ?

borg

Have you been to Cherbourg though ? they have a perfectly preserved Redoutable, well worth a visit.

D M

You are left wondering sometimes where we went wrong in this country. It would take the PM 10 seconds to say lets do this. It costs less than a garden bridge and alot less than the billions that have apparently been fraudulently claimed in loans during covid.

ETH

Because spending taxes on preserving Cold War era submarines won’t win many votes, I’m afraid.

Andy Ex-Japan

While I would be glad to see an SSN saved and open to the public, I can’t help wonder if Conqueror, the sinker of the Belgrano, would have been a better choice for preservation? Was there any particular reason why Courageous was chosen?

X

Probably the condition of the hull and systems.

X

So are you saying it doesn’t or hasn’t happened?

I ask as somebody who was an inner city youth worker for over a decade and has worked in children’s social care.

borg

Yet again Out of Context, You like to cherry pick and call people Racist’s and Ignore Truths. History tells a sorry tail where Rape and Sexual Violence is used as a weapon, The Germans did it, the Russians Did it and It’s happening now not just in the UK but Worldwide, You might not think It’s a serious issue, you might think you are being all high and mighty on an internet site getting others posts deleted. Personally I just think you are Deluded, it’s not an insult it’s a fact. Oh and You might want to ask my racial background before jumping on the Racist Bandwagon.

X

Right thanks.

I will say though it is happening. And has been happening since the late 1970’s. And the scale is vast. But I say that as somebody with exposure to it unlike many who go off third hand accounts and whose judgement is coloured by the poltics.

On a blog or site about security in its general sense then yes it is a topic for discussion. On this site? Not really.

borg

Nope, Just the Truth.

Ian Whitehouse

Absolutely right. It was due to the enthusiasm of the Courageous Association that she is in such good condition – ready now to be displayed part from requirement to declassify etc. Could argue Dreadnought or Resolution / Conqueror have more historic resonance but we’re aiming to preserve an example NOT especially Courageous.

Cam

I would love to see a vanguard class kept for the nation, put it right next to Hms Belfast, imagine the amount of tourists that would visit it… shame we didn’t keep a type 42 for the coldest museum!

borg

I would have loved to see HMS Hero preserved, In Icelandic Ice, It can’t have been too big a job given the WW11 project Habakkuk. Cod knows why it wasn’t.

Cam

Lol Borg

borg

Would have been amazing to see this Boat next to HMS Warspite, not to mention HMS Hermes or Ark Royal, I guess Razor Blades are much more Important.

David York

This is all very well but when Plymouth where not even interested in taking on HMS Plymouth which was the ship that the Falklands Conflict ended on then I don’t see why this is different.

X

Shame the berth next to HMS Warrior couldn’t have been used. Warrior is longer and has a greater draught than a T12. She would have been a real addition to the Dockyard.

borg

Think a Type 23 would be better, I can just see it now.

Supportive Bloke

T22 B3 would have been the most realistic as they were in decent nick when retired.

T23 will be very pre-loved and pre-rusted by the time it goes out of service.

borg

That’s what “They” said about HMS Hermes and HMS Ocean and many others. But as a Museum Ship, a type 23 would probably be a better bet.

X

Yes T22 B3. A favourite of mine.

Cam

Same, They were kind of like destroyers really.

X

Yes. But terms like destroyer and frigate are elastic. There is no global standard as it were. Apart from rafting the T22 B3 were superb vessels. Goalkeeper and Seawolf, 2 helicopters or 1 large one, 8 Harpoon and so on.

Cam

Why do you always get downvoted for saying informative stuff X? Trolls?

X

A T23 would be good.

Cam

Maybe the Queens affiliated one. Red rose on it I think?

Cam

What type 23 is the Queens one? That should get support to be preserved, I think it’s just a GP frigate though and not asw.

Ian Whitehouse

AS the article says – preserving warships is not easy. ‘Saving’ a ship with a glorious past may appeal to some but, in general, a frigate or destroyer is not particularly unique. Differing only from other ships in having weapon systems and poor quality accommodation. A nuclear submarine, on the other hand is, outside of space exploration, the most technologically complex machine made by man with nuclear energy, steam power, high pressure systems, complex weapon systems, environmental and atmosphere controls etc, all working in harmony to support a powerful warship, crewed by over 125 people, operate safely and undetected, deep underwater for weeks on end.

Cam

But strip her down and put in dry dick, we have enough spare these days.

heroic

Brilliant. Lovely to see and I must admit to licking this little site too.

Sam

Brazil has the Former HMS Broadsword in service. She is one of the last Falklands war ships still around and would be great as a museum ship. We have lost HMS Plymouth, HMS Hermes later Viraat has been scrapped sadly, HMS Invincible is gone. HMS Broadsword and HMS Brilliant along with HMS Andromeda (Which tends to be forgotten about) were vital during the conflict as they were the only ships equipped with Sea wolf missiles that could have dealt with the Exocet threat effectively. Broadsword herself unfortunately wasnt able to save HMS Coventry due to bad positioning ( The ad-hoc type 64 Manouver had been developed on the fly and had never been trained for (still the best idea at the time IMHO). Broadsword really does need to be saved for historical importance

Sunmack

Don’t disagree with your recommendation from the point we’re at now but if allbthe ships you mentioned Invincible is the one which should have been kept for me

Sam

Invincible would have been nice to keep indeed. Problem would be paying for it…Saving a smaller ship is just more economically practical unfortunately 🙁 Broadsword fits the bill….HMS Bristol while bigger has remained UK property

Something different

We need to preserve our proud naval heritage. It is of great historical value and it is a shame that we have kept so little compared to America!

Cam

It’s horrifying, we have no carriers, Hermes could have been bought for 5 million, penny’s in the real scale of things!. Then towed back to uk to start fundraising and there would be no end of volunteers. It docked in Liverpool would have been great. Shame really, it could have been a naval aeroplane museum also, and hotel, and conference centre all could have fitted aboard…. I’m gutted it’s scrapped.l,

heroic

Ah but the smell of Curry might have upset a few Scousers upwind.