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Order of the Ditch

Generally good news and it is nice to see two new vessels at the fit out stage. Should be morale boosting for those in the service having to keep over worked hulls going.
However BAE could have built these faster, but were instructed not to by the MoD and Treasury. Instead of wasting billions on the T23 LIFEXs wouldn’t it have been more prudent to get the T26s in service as quickly as possible?
Remember when we lost T45 hulls 7 & 8 to expedite the T26 programme, only to have 5 T26s become T31s and then have a slow drawn out build process?
The government, MoD and Treasury are a perfect storm to f#*k up defence procurement.

Hugo

T23s are falling apart as is. Without the Lifexs we’d probably end up with less frigates than we have destroyers for a period of time.

R jenner

When London is passing through the yard, what will follow?

danikini

T83

KiwiRob

I wonder what happens if Norway orders 6 as rumoured? Does BAe increase the build tempo of do the RN end up losing build slots for an export customer?

With the 5 Nansens the first was laid down in 2003 and the last commissioned in 2011. Can the UK ramp up to build Type 26’s at a similar pace?

ATH

I suspect a bit of both but predominantly the second. A longer T26 build will better fit with the realistic start of T45 replacement (probably T83). Given the extensive upgrades the T45’s are getting I don’t see them serving for less than 30 years. That would see the first of them leaving service in the late 2040’s.

C Taylor

HMS Cardiff already looking like it’s been on deployment for a while, guess that’s the downside of them being joined together outside.

ATH

More because they don’t get a full coat of “paint” until they are nearly finished and all the cutting and other hot work is done.

Hugo

Glasgow is the one in the foreground.

Jon

Can anyone tell enough from the pictures to know the missile block layout? This article talks about Sea Ceptor in 4 blocks of 6, which was how the artists’ renderings showed them two or three years ago. However, speculation, possibly prompted by the description of the T26 on the RN’s website, has suggested that the 24 CAMM missiles, front and back, would be implemented in two blocks of 3 ExLS quad-packed.

Are the structures at the bottom of the gangway stairs VLS, and if so what type?

Last edited 1 month ago by Jon
Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Overall Build Time For HMS Cardiff

All

Being a tiny weeny bit bored today = I suddenly thought would be an “very interesting exercise” to compare the overall ship-building durations for the two big ships that are shown here, in these truely excellent photos,on Navy Lookout….:

So, here goes:

  • In the foreground: tiny HMS Cardiff
  • In the background: the much larger Cunarder Queen Mary 2 (QM2)

However, being a VLB (note 1) and also because it is the weekend, I have simply not bothered to count up how many individual compartments there are inside the much larger ship…….however I believe that the Cunarder has many more than the 800 compartments (quoted by the editor) for HMS Cardiff……….and furthermore I believe (however, I cannot afford to take a cruise on the Cunarder), that all of those compartments are fitted out to a much higher quality standard than the compartments found inside the much-smaller Grey Funnel Cruise Liners ship….

Overall durations; starting from keel-laying to final completion:

HMS Cardiff

  • Keel laid – 2019
  • In service – 2028

Cunarder QM2.

  • Keel laid – July 2002
  • In full revenue-earning passnger service (maiden voyage) – January 2004

So, WHY does it take BAe so ble*****g long to build a T26?

Can I please ask that all “excuse notes” be sent, either electronically or on a postcard (note 2), directly to the editor of Navy Lookout.

regards Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Note 1

  1. TLA transator: VLB = Very Lazy B*****D

Note 2.

  • For youngsters reading NL = these were the older and colouful version of an e-mail.

With thanks.
Many thanks are due to the very useful website “Chris’s Cunard Page”:

QM2 History – Chris Frame’s Cunard Page: Cunard Line History, Facts, News (chriscunard.com)

Julian Edmonds

Thank you very much for a much more elaborate version of my brief comment below.
Having been lucky enough to cruise on the QM2, I can confirm that the passenger cabins are fitted out to a much higher quality standard than the Grey Funnel, What’s more, there are 1,360 of them, and you can at least double that figure for crew quarters, public spaces, storage, etc, to get to a total number of compartments.

Being the only ocean liner in service, QM2 is a better comparator than a standard cruise ship for the poor performance of our military procurement. For example, has IEP which works with none of the issues faced by the Type 45 destroyers.

What one can say about cruise ships in general is that:-

  1. They get built on time and on budget.
  2. They spend 80-90% of their time in revenue earning service.
  3. You don’t see them sailing “fitted for but not with” their advertised attractions.

That’s the difference between private sector efficiency and government incompetence.

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Julian

I totally agree = especially with your excellent summary (last line)

regards Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

PS I must go now: I am trying to accumulate enough pound coins, collected from behind my old sofa, to afford a “proper cruise”

Russ

They look like air con fan units similar to what we have in buildings with a/c.

Julian Edmonds

Great picture of the Queen Mary. Which cost about the same to build as a T26, despite being 10 times the size.