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US Guy

Needs at least 48 VLS cells. 🙂

Jason

They should be temporarily phased into acting as fisheries protection as this is more important for the UK in the near future. If countries need surveys of far away places then let them do it for themselves we barely have enough RN ships that we need this survey service , we no longer rule the waves. Use them where they most serve us.

Challenger

Except survey work actually makes money for the country!

Plus as a globally deployed force the Royal Navy needs to have the latest information on more than just UK waters to ensure safe navigation.

Cam

Yeah and the RN are among the best on earth at Survey work, we have to keep this very underrated capability in the Royal Navy. They are vital and lots of big nations actually look to the UK for this data.

X

Does it! Wow!

It doesn’t make as much as fisheries will!

Phil

We sold our fishing fleets donkeys years ago to anyone who’d have them
You really think our fisheries would make a lot of money ??
Your deluded

andy reeves

some of those larger fishing boats would have been ideal for conversion into an ‘inshore survey squadron like the old wooden ham class sweepers echo,enterprise and egeria. based at chatham. but operating from the armpit of the nation(lowestoft). loved my time on o’ld echo’ 1n 1985 EVERY WEEKEND OFF! A CREW OF UNDER 30. ONE CHIEF, TIFFY , ME, A KILLICK STOKER AND A Stoker made up the entire engineering department for all three ships.

Cam

Yeah these aren’t exactly the best suitEd for fishery work! All our 13 mine counter ships are far better suited

X

3750 tonne steel vessel with high endurance against “plastic” MCM vessels.

The government have been quietly dumping Hunts just because they would be useful.

We will need them all.

Ted Deeprose

Multi value ships,small but very vital. Do not put all your eggs in 1 basket .
A vital roll that we do very well in RN anywhere and anything.
Had a wonderful 6 months on Bulldog multiple tasks as MEM such as defecamant plant,tide watching, coxn of inflatable boat to Islands in the Seychelles

Phil

Yes the Navy allow the captain to troll off anywhere that takes his fancy..after all we have no world wide allies or even friends that we might help.
Let’s try and chase fishing boats….oh..we tried that when little Iceland made us look stupid in the 70s..when we actually had more than 5 ships. Safeguard our tiny fishing fleet from hundreds of trawlers with our equally small littoral fleet, both of them

Cam

How about put a 96 silo bank on the chopper pick up deck, and then lengthen the ship by 20 meteres at the back and put a hangar and landing spot on the back, then add bigger radar and a 5 inch gun on front with two 40mm guns on each side of the mid deck, and a couple torpedo tubes and sonar tail and we have a nice Warship… one can fantasise

ETh

Throw in a triple 16 inch gun turret whilst you’re at it

Cam

Nah 20inchers is more like it.

andy reeves

triple ee gads man wee you at jutland?

andy reeves

and dream. but they are substantial ships.

Cam

Anyway on a serious note, these ships make more money fir the RN than they cost don’t they, due to survey work and selling oceanography data. We should never get rid of this capability! But I wouldn’t be surprised if HMS Echo and HMS Enterprise are sold or scrapped… But HMS Scott might be more at threat of those fates sadly!!

Geo

Reference the “Droggy” photo. Admittedly doing this differently wouldn’t present much of a saving to the naval estimates, but does one workstation really need 5 keyboards?

Phillip Johnson

Can the RN afford specialist survey vessels? The ‘Enterprise Class’ are dedicated survey vessels which when required can do limited other things.
Should the replacements be General Purpose vessels which can do surveying when required?
The Commercial world manages to do its survey and oceanographic work of the back of some pretty basic vessels.

Duker

These ships are likely carrying covert intelligence systems for listening to every thing from foreign navies to pirates cell phones to insurgents communications in places from Libya to Yemen to Somalia etc

Phillip Johnson

That usually involves some rather specialized antennae. The ships has a good collection of domes which are probably communications but could contain anything. That however, was not really my question.
The RN is cash strapped and on the track record of British governments that could well get worse. Can it really afford the level of specialization evident in the current survey fleet or will it be forced in future to a common hull using containerized equipment to cover Survey, MCM and Offshore Patrol as required? A modern version of the old ‘Colonial Sloop’ if you like.

Duker

Specialised antenna for cell phone transmission ? You can fit a cell phone snooper in a brief case .Its not long range and satellite communications
Compare the antenna fit from 2003 for Roebuck in Iraq to the more modern picture of Echo at the top, proliferation of aerials not including the domes

Regarding a common hull, it would probably just be hull form and major systems with a different deck layout. Australia has some ideas on a common hull around this size for specialized survey and patrol vessels
“The new OPVs are intended to replace the existing Armidale class and Cape class patrol boats, Huon class coastal minehunters, and Leeuwin class survey ships in service with the RAN….
The design of the Arafura class OPVs is based on the Lürssen OPV80 platform. The compact design of the OPV offers enhanced seakeeping characteristics and superior performance….The OPVs will have a length of 80m, beam of 13m, and draught of 4m. The displacement of the vessels will be 1,640t. The ships will be manned by a crew of 40 members and will offer accommodation for more than 60 passengers.”
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/arafura-class-offshore-patrol-vessels/comment image

Phillip Johnson

The latest Defence force update in Australia is now predicting 12 OPV’s and 8 MCM/Survey vessels completed between 2022 and the mid 2030’s to replace the RAN current small forces. These at the moment consist of the:
13 Armidale Class PB’s
4 Huon Class MCMV’s and
2 Melville Class Survey vessels.
The Update stated the extra 8 MAY be based on the OPV hulls. Question is whether 1680T is big enough for the more specialized tasks, but there does seem to be a strong push for commonality..

andy reeves
andy reeves

probably the most cost effective ships in the R.N

Mike

These ships represent remarkable value for money and the RN Hydrography is world renowned. No need to complicate or cut back here, just replace with the best available when needed.

D M

Essential for the submarine service I would have thought. Having up to date maps while your driving round in a windowless tin can could be quite handy.

Michael

I would think that for a single sailor this ship would be considered prime duty.

andy reeves

I HAD THE HONOUR(?) OF SERVING ON THE PREVIOUS ECHO. PART OF A 3 SHIP GROUP TITLED THE INSHORE SURVEY SQUADRON THE LUCKY 15 OF US ON EACH GROUP, WITH EVERY WEEKEND OFF, A SKIPPER WHO WOULD ASK ME WHERE THE LADS WANTED TO TIE UP THAT NIGHT. OUR CHOICES WERE LOWESTOFT,LOWESTOFT AND ERRRRRRRRRRRRM LOWESTOFT. IN SUMMER WE GOT THE OCCASIONAL OFFER OF RAMSGATE. AS A LEADING STOKER, I WAS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT for aLL 3 ships!!!!! i kid you not. shame they had to go. but the wooden hulls were on their last legs.

Wendy Harbon

The question should be asked, by now the world’s oceans and seas plus coastlines, should have been surveyed and charted many times over, by different nations navies, government marine agencies, academic institutions or private companies?

Are these Royal Navy Survey ships really needed?

Short answer yes they are, they do very important work and yes they bring income into the country, from survey data and navigation charts sold too!

However, these vessels, should have secondary roles, for fishery protection duties plus coastal border protection too.