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Sam

Interesting in a good way 🙂

Joe B

Why are the transfer boats of Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales different?

TimH

My guess is that it’s down to when the respective sets of boats were ordered.

Bloke down the pub

From promotional material I saw from Alnmaritec, after the delivery of the first of QE’s personnel transfer boats, they were definitely hopeful of further orders for the rest of the fleet. Price I dare say was a prime consideration. http://www.alnmaritec.co.uk/component/zoo/item/aln-138-ptb-swordfish-hms-queen-elizabeth-carrier

Grubbie

Why on earth would anyone bid against safehaven when they know that the contract is as good as theirs already for political reasons?

Mark

Because it isn’t? There’s no Irish EPV tender out yet and it may not come this year due to the Air Corps Casa replacement being brought forward so at least 100 million going on that sooner than planned, so 2019-2020 I’d say. Added in the deteriorating relationship between Dublin and London, and the uncertainty of Brexit. I wouldn’t be surprised that the EPV goes to an EU 27 country

Grubbie

I can’t see why they would go to a british yard either, but STRN has a fairly reliable veiw of inside thinking. The UK ship building industry has destroyed it reputation for quality and it’s bound to be much cheaper somewhere else.
The Irish prime minister has indeed made some lunatic and unhelpful anti UK statements.
It’s funny how competition and procurement rules suddenly change when some dodgy swap deal can be arranged.

Mark

No, the UK Press has reported such, his statement on Open Skies has been something that most of the airlines have been saying for years now, but that’s besides the point, the view from Dublin is that it’s London that’s been “unhelpful”, to the point of being hostile.

STRN might have insight from the UK side, but as I’ve said from the Irish side, there’s no movement on the EPV. The CASA’s jumped the line and their tender process is current and so will take at least 100 million (more if we get a third for general cargo runs), EPV is still “working on it”, and with the predicted lifespan of the government running out somewhere around 2020 there’s little time for it.

Darren

How did you come to this assumption that the Uk shipbuilding industry has destroyed its reputation for quality and how it is bound to be much cheaper elsewhere. Please enlighten me.

Camy hunter

What you talking about! The last few biggest Irish navy ships were built in the uk! The offshore patrol boats! Ireland was very happy and I’m sure they will be more built in the uk! Britain has a great ship building industry, not huge anymore but we have been building warships since warships were invented! Idiot.

Mark

To be fair that’s because they were dirt cheap, and even then we’ve now had two out of the 4 have issues due to Appledore fitting out on the seabed, one with shaft problems and the other with gear box issues.

Not sure who will get the contract for the next program, the Eithne replacement, but I’d have doubts if it’s a UK yard.

4thwatch

‘I see no guns’ as the late Admiral Horatio Nelson once famously exclaimed; thus continuing the RN’s current gamble that none of its ships will ever engage the enemy; let alone engage them more closely. Why?

James Harrington

Our cousins say of all their boats….. if it floats it fights….. and as such all these little boats must have mounts for automatic weapons as they will likely at some point be tasked with something unexpected… good point 4th. I am dismayed at the MOD position of under arming everything. Its as if weapons are unacceptable to some of the public.

IAN

Bet the Russians are s…..g themselves.

Grubbie

Don’t worry, the big unarmed steel box will frighten them off.

Darren

What big steel box is that?

Michael

I am equally dismayed that unarmed utility craft are being designated with the prefix HMS.

Cam

Retard! These boats are for light duties!

Jared

I don’t know if these boats specifically need to have any weapons on board, but a mount for optional armament, such as a GPMG, might not be a bad idea. However, I don’t think the Sea class would be a good derivative for the Gibraltar Squadron replacement. Something more like the MK VI patrol boat that we are getting for the US navy would be perfect. A relatively inexpensive, off the shelf design, but still with enough teeth to protect the QEC from suicide boat attacks when they come to port. The MK VI would also be more intimidating to Spanish OPV’s that often make incursions into Gibraltar waters, though I don’t see that ever coming to blows.

If Safehaven marine wants to sell their Barracuda design, I think that is better suited for the RGP marine force.

Gunbuster

MK 6 PCs Inexpensive!
I have been working on the bloody things last year. They come in at around 15 mil Dollars a pop…and thats for the USN to buy. No doubt they would be more expensive for the UK.
They are the BMW of patrol boats…everything is an optional extra at a premium price.

Jared

It checks all the boxes as far as bigger, faster, and more heavily armed. And now that the RN has aircraft carriers stopping through, the last thing the MoD needs is something similar to what happened to the USS Cole or the Saudi ship off of Yemen. And I understand that the budgets are clearly different for the USN and the RN, but $15 million (£15 million for easy math if it is more expensive) per patrol boat for two replacements seems a worthy investment to protect a £3 billion carrier when she is in the narrow waters off Gib.

Edited to add that I did include the qualifier, relatively inexpensive.

Camy hunter

I agree that barracuda design looks bad ass, with the gun automatically poping out from the front when needed! It’s fast aswell. Looks amazing. Not sure if big enough though! I wonder if there’s a slightly larger design.

Mark

They are currently building a new hull for a trans Atlantic speed record after their round Ireland record, maybe that design could be looked at to modify if there was a customer that wanted it.

Grubbie

Spent all the money on a giant codpiece

Challenger

All told a nice bit of procurement.

Got me thinking how it’s always amusing to read the active fleet lists of other navies. Although complaints about the Royal Navies decline are still completely valid if we included every harbour tug, landing craft and the RFA into the total we’d have a naval fleet of hundreds as well!

GFOR

Not many ‘workboats’ around dockyards are navy owned.
All tugs and pilot launches are are Serco.

Only RM landing craft, ORCs and IRCs, assorted training small craft, MoD Police launches and RIBs are owned by MoD. There are quite a few PAC 24s doing a variety of roles.

Challenger

I’m aware Serco own and operate all of the harbour tugs and other assorted boats, but regardless of who they belong to they serve the same function as their equivalents in other navies.

When other nations choose to include every single little boat operated in support of their active fleets as part of the overall total it’s makes these services look far bigger at a cursory glance than they actually are!

Bloke down the pub

Ref the boats for Britannia, It’s all well and good making these vessels highly maneuverable but the US Navy has had plenty of cases of collisions due to poor seamanship. If you train boat handling on something that spins in its own length and crab sideways, you’re only storing up problems for when the junior officers get out in the real world.

4thwatch

You are probably right. RN ship handling has been Excellent. Midshipmen learned ship handling in commanding the Battleship or Cruiser’s steam pinnace. Although they had plenty of hp at their command; I believe maneuvering was still difficult due to length of the keel.
Not named HMS they still carried a 2 pounder gun and sometimes more.