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Callum

It’s good to see the RFA brought to the fore again. It isn’t said very often, but with such a reduced surface and submarine fleet, it’s the RFA and the expeditionary capability they sustain that keeps the RN in the top tier of world navies

Graham Gledhill

Wave Ruler is currently moth balled in Liverpool. Wave Knight is currently in Scotland after refitting at Cammell Lairds.

Challenger

How is it that the Ol Class could operate 3 Sea King’s compared to the Waves 1 Merlin? Going by the pictures the Waves have a significantly bigger hanger and flight-deck.

Callum

I can’t be certain, but it may have to do with the Merlin’s somewhat larger dimensions and significantly heavier weight: an EMPTY Merlin is heavier than a loaded Sea King, and at full load the Merlin is around 5 tonnes heavier. The Wave class also have all of their superstructure to the rear, so perhaps there is simply less internal space for storage.

Darren

That 200 million quid includes all the what would be regarded UK content for the Korean built ships (452 million hull build plus 160 million pounds UK content (later increased to 550 million pounds for just hull build according to this website)), so as it was just two ships (BAE offered a cheaper third), that content must take a bigger percentage? Then you have the good old tax back directly and indirectly. The Waves are better value for money than those Tides being built abroad.

Darren

Can I just add? I have not added an extra 6% above inflation for any new price of the tide ships as that is normally to do with destroyer and frigates and new associated technology that comes with the next generation of those ships. How that is factored into ships that are normally bigger than the previous is another matter.

Andy Tiller

If you think that building the new RFA ships in the UK is better value for money than building overseas please sign my petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235377
I think it makes sense from an economic and security perspective. Can you imagine Spain, Italy, S Korea or Japan building their ships in the UK. I cant

Stephen

Also write to your M.P., I have, let’s turn this around.

Barry Larking

” Wave Knight was involved in a controversial incident in November 2009 when pirates kidnapped a British couple and their yacht near the Seychelles. The ship was on the scene as the couple were transferred from their yacht to a pirate mothership. It was not considered safe to intervene without risking the lives of the hostages, who were taken away to be held to ransom in Somalia for a £4 million ransom.”

The only controversial aspect of this ‘unhappy episode’ was the insouciance of the couple who had been well advised to keep out of those waters and chose to ignore that advice. There is no shame attached to the Wave Knight whatsoever.

Lawrence

The couple were actually hijacked many miles from where they were transfered to he “mother ship”, (another hijacked ship.)

The were originally boarded by pirates well away from any area where pirate activity was expected.

Wave Knight picked up their abandoned yacht.

Rob Johnson

There is no man power issue. The MOD and RFA are planning to sell the Ruler but just won’t admit it.

Pacman27

It has to be said that without the RFA, we would not have a blue water navy and in more recent times, we would not have been able to meet our commitments under the many treaties we ar party to.

I really do think we are now at a point of a single force structure, as the RFA are now taking on RN duties and the daylight between the two services is negligable. Understand why we would want to retain separate organisations, but ultimately we need to ensure we have a combined fleet that meets our requirements going forward.

As with the article on the Bays, great ships and really good value for money, I would however like to see the RFA get 12 Joint Logistics and Amphibious Support Vessels (Karel Doorman style asset based on the Aegir hullform), to go alongside the 4 Tides, that with some design improvements could give the UK a very dynamic platform for many years to come.
Add in 2-4 Float on Float off ships (perhaps in a PPI as they lend themselves well to this) with various mega modules (see think defence for article) and we have everything we need and more.

Great Article, keep it up please

peter

The ship was on the scene as the couple were transferred from their yacht to a pirate mothership. It was not considered safe to intervene without risking the lives of the hostages, who were taken away to be held to ransom in Somalia for a £4 million ransom.