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Jon

Hurrah! About time too.

I understand that 18 months ago we contracted for a 2-year managed solution, if memory serves for £10m a year for one ship. Janes wrote that it was only for one UAS. (I had originally assumed at that price we’d be getting at least three or four.) This need to be made fully operational asap and a financial case made for a more permanent and very much cheaper solution.

Given previous comments about 24-hour-a-day surveillence I’m hoping Janes was wrong about the number of drones. www. janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/sea/thales-and-schiebel-to-supply-uk-royal-navy-with-rotary-uas-solution-to-meet-peregrine-ucr

Last edited 1 month ago by Jon
Gary

S-100 is in operation in 17 countries and RAN has been operating S-100 for 6 years and is phasing them out end of 2024, what took RN so long?

Jon

Do you know what they are replacing them with?

Jon

It’s okay, I found it. Boeing Insitu RQ-21A Blackjacks: like an overgrown ScanEagle, and rebranded Insitu Integrator in Australia to signify locally sourced add-ons. Lighter weight than S-100, much longer endurance, but importantly, not radar capable. It looks like it wasn’t the RAN’s choice and their programme has been merged with the Army’s. The Army are getting 24 for A$650m, that’s about £14m a piece.

Duker

Interesting , I cant find any formal decision on that for RAN. I have a feeling they dont have the money.
For the Army they have selected a range of types with different capabilities such as Integrator and 2 different bigger types.
I cant see a rail launched long winged UAS being suitable for OPV and Frigates

scott h

They would use FLARES for launch and recovery for shipboard operations.

scott h

Jon, I guarantee you are 100% wrong about the RQ-21A/Integrator being not radar capable…

Si V

It takes time to collate a robust Safety Case and meet all requirements that the Military Aviation Authority dictate.

Duker

6 years , it seems they never got that far
The number of S-100s under consideration at the time was not disclosed, although an unconfirmed media report referred to an initial procurement of 40. The sole source decision was made days before the Coalition government entered into a caretaker period….However, it has now been reported that the Labour government has scrapped the acquisition
3 were used for evaluation as you mention, from 2018
https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/sea/schiebel-s-100-camcopter-acquisition-scrapped

DaSaint

Commercially, 2 basic S-100 and a control station is (or was) about US$2M

Quentin D63

Isn’t there a larger Schiebel S-300 with increased range, speed, 24 hour endurance, higher altitude and payload also available? Shouldn’t the RN be looking at that too and maybe have both?

Jon

Yes there is, but until we know what we are using Peregrine for, we don’t know if it’s worth buying extra payload or higher altitude.

Quentin D63

It’s fine to to start with the smaller but know the bigger might be even more useful and is already being used by other Navies, I believe the Korean and soon to be French.

Last edited 1 month ago by Quentin D63
Duker

A bit like Grumman F4F and F6F of WW2…just make it bigger all round

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Chris

How does the radar these carry compare with something like Crowsnest?

ATH

Massively less powerful. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Crowsnest radar and associated processing and display systems take more power than the Peregrine engine puts out in total.

Rudeboy

The radar is also already in use on the Watchkeeper UAV.

AlexS

This is a 200kg all up weight drone. The radar is minuscule.

Challenger

Feel like the RN have been trialling various lightweight surveillance drones for about a decade now!

How much faffing around is needed before they go with a type and get it rolled out across the fleet.

Mark P

Five of these please, one for each of the River B 2’s

DaSaint

Completely agree!

Louis Gordon

Can a river permanently embark one of these without a hangar? I know they’re small but it’s not like you can just stuff one in a broom closet, maybe they can build some sort of small, semi-permanent hanger (basically a shed) on the flight deck? depending on the room taken you might have to give up operating Merlins and only use Wildcats, but it could be a worthwhile trade-off.

Craig

The River B2s have space for an ISO container on each side, forward of the flight deck. One could be utilised for storage, maintenance and control of 1+ S100s

Ry@n

Cool hopefully we eventually get a RWUAS on every escort and opv in the fleet

John smith

They’re not aerials, they’re antennas. Fact check your articles before publishing.

Jon

What’s the difference? Feel free to be technical.

Mark

An aerial is any structure used to transmit or receive signals, while an antenna specifically refers to the component that performs this function.

Jon

Nice cut’n’paste, but Google’s first answer isn’t always definitive. If you look down your list of Google answers you will see things such as as antenna is the American form while aerial is the British; or there is no difference between them at all. None that I can spot would make the usage in the article wrong. I just want to know why John is apparently outraged at what he percieves to be a mistake. I might learn something.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jon
DRS

Glaciers move at a faster pace! For the price of these we should have 5/6 containers with 2 of these a piece and be on all the rivers by now. BAE should have by now made the CMS be compatible with output as that was a separate requirement. £2 for this commercially as someone also mentioned.Why so slow!

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

DRS

Same reason that the Patrick Blunkett expereimental ship took over six months to get certified for sea = overall there is far too much paperwork being generated by far too many many bureacrats – most of who have no desire whatsever to speed things up

Nobody “employed” (note 1) in military avaiation safety certification seems to have “twigged” that these drones are all unmanned (note 2) craft = so they should be very easily be capable of being tested being tested out in remote areas, including out at sea.

That testing of drones could easily be done without risk to life.

regards Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Note 1. I will not, on principle, use the word “working”
Note 2. A reques to all “girlie pilots”: is it still offically called an unmanned craft: or, in the 21st century, is it more poliically correct to use the term uncrewed?