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Hugo

Still planned to retire this year?

Jon

I assume you mean Lancaster and not Peregrine! I wonder if it would be a suitable Bristol replacement.

Hugo

Wouldn’t last without continuous refits

fvf

Should order 10 for the River Batch 2’s, would dramatically improve operational effectiveness for cheap given they don’t have any aviation assets. 1 TEU on it’s shoulders should be suffice.

HMS Trent and Medway should have priority given patrol and policing operations, followed by HMS Forth for fishery jobs.

Lastly HMS Spey and HMS Tamar.

nige

fvf hi the article February 4th 2020 up grading the batch 2 OPV’s .
This Peregrine system would be excellent and cheep, increasing range and capability for this class of vessel.
And I also think we should have more of them with maybe a dozen or so Sea Ceptor, as they are a long way from support!

ATH

Systems for recon, absolutely. Sea Ceptor, absolutely NOT.
Up arming the B2 Rivers makes no sense. For them to go to places with more threat than Pirates they would need more than just missiles. They would need better radar, EW, combat systems, damage control and most importantly people and training. That takes a good presence/patrol ship and adds a pile of money to make a poor light frigate.
Keep the B2’s as simple pure OPV’s not poor warships.

Last edited 2 months ago by ATH
fvf

Agree, RB2’s are and always Will be OPV’s.
They are not designed up to warship damage control spec.
However, I would suggest replacing the 30mm with a 40mm, due to 40mm requiring 1/3rd the amount of maintenance while being better than 30mn for self defense.
Given it is now already in the RN with T31, I think it is the time.
Finally, give the ships a good deep clean, pressure was and new lick of paint + Bunk replacement / referbishment / whatever needs modernisation then boom.

All of the above including peregrine could probably be done for £5m per ship.

Darren

So if these come into regular service who will be piloting them, a suitably trained rating or officer ?

ATH

Does it matter?

fvf

Nah mate, they’re not gonna train the person who controls it, Of course not!

Duker
Jason

That is Test and Eval not flying.

PuddlePirate

Well currently at least one of the Peregrine pilots is an officer so most likely be an alternative pilot route?

Gordon Bennett

Auto Pilots.

Jim

Don’t you just love these “Unmanned” Capabilities ? lol……. Only 17 Blokes it takes to get this one un manned tiny Asset to perform…. Oh the Irony.

anonymous coward

Lol!

Duker

Ironically thats the reason everything takes so long to implement, too many cooks in the kitchen.

I read this the other day about a future autonomous underwater system for RN…it had every buzz word around and seems to suggest no crew involved

‘Phase 1 – designated ATLANTIC NET – would deliver ‘ASW as a service’ through a Contractor Owned, Contractor Operated, Naval Oversight (COCONO) model using lean crewed, remotely operated or autonomous uncrewed systems operated by an industry mission partner.

While they work it all out , the RN side would be overstaffed as everyone gets on the bandwagon

Jim

I genuinely believe that this whole rush to automation is being led by fresh out of Uni Graduates and that we are in danger of losing grip on reality. This picture tells a story all on it’s own and that’s not including all the other humans in the chain. And It’s still only a bloody small RC Chopper.

AlexS

Specially the weather limitations of this thing.

Sean

Of course you have people involved when trialling a new capability. Better than the RN gets to see how well something does the job it’s claimed to do before actually buying it. Or do you prefer the RN wasting money on buying kit which proved to be useless when used for real.

COCONO is only for evaluation trials, after which, IF successful the RN would buy and operate.

Sean

(a) You can’t count, as there’s 18 blokes in the picture
(b) Two are clearly civilians, obviously out there helping getting it operational and into service – not to make it “perform”.
(c) Obviously doesn’t need all all those pictured to get it ‘to perform’. That photo is probably to commemorate the handover to being operational, so included in it is anyone with even the slightest involvement – eg those sorting out hanger space for it, updating procedures aboard, etc etc etc. it clearly states in the article that people from 700X were aboard to work out how best the Peregrine could work in a team with the Wildcard. They’re obviously not going to be aboard every vessel with a Peregrine.

Last edited 2 months ago by Sean
Jim

So it takes 18 people then !!!! Deary me.

Sean

Clearly you can’t count and can’t read if you think that..

PuddlePirate

Still less than it takes for conventional helicopters.

Jim

I should think so too, It’s a toy in comparison to a Merlin. (another new name ?)

taffybadger

Endurance? way more important than speed.

Jim

I can see Gordon Ramsey, Hester Blumenthal, Gino De Campo. John Healy. Grant from Eastenders, H from Steps . That Black Guy from Magnum PI and at least 3 members of Boyzone…. Maybe things aren’t as bad after all.

Jon

I believe things never seem that bad when you’ve been smoking whatever you have!

Jim

It was Humour but if you look at the Pic you’ll deffo see resemblances.

Jason

Spam?

Jim

Thick ?

Jason

Would be great seeing it drop sonar bouys or Sting Rays.

martin

not likely to able to lift a Sting Ray torpedo which weighs approx 270 Kg.

Sean

A Martlet has been test fired from a Jackal, would be interesting to see if Peregrine could too.

Jon

There’s an old picture of a Camcopter (which Peregrine is based on) sporting two Martlets on the Martlet Wikipedia page. Rudeboy claimed Martlets had also been fired from the Camcopter, in Navy Lookout comments a couple of years ago. It’s also stated in Wikipedia, and many press sources say that Thales have test fired them. However, the radar system would have to be removed first. Totting up the weights, I think it’s one or the other for Peregrine. Not both.

Last edited 2 months ago by Jon
DRS

This is why we need two, and the standard civvy TEU 20 ft container with workstation it was always a package of two I think? Target marking is using a laser for Martlet from memory.

Jon

That’s what the far larger Proteus drone will be for.

Sean

Proteus provides for stores transport, dropped sonor buoys, dipping sonor, etc, so a Martlet toting version is definitely feasible. Hopefully we’ll hear more when it starts flying this year.