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Jon

Good news if new innovations lead to faster implementations. I’m not sure this will achieve that, or at least, as it’s headed up by a Commander, it will still need the same political push of the CTO. Although the article points out this issue, I can’t see anything here that will help naval innovations get over the valley of death.

I wonder where this leaves CETUS and undersea innovation if this is seen as part of the surface flotilla.

Robert

Fleet Experimental Squadron has a Commander but is under Rear Admiral James Parkin, the “Director Develop”.

Not sure who commands the Disruptive Capabilities and Technologies Office? Maybe Brigadier Jaimie Roylance, Chief Techonology Officer of the Royal Navy?

Jason

Likely RN Captain under that Brigadier.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Hopefully the MOD take note of what £6mill buys you in the commercial market.
Although why we need to spend £1mill on a wardroom is beyond me.

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

“DCTO will also begin early work on longer-term technologies, including quantum, artificial intelligence and next-generation nuclear systems.”

Editor

  • I rather get the very definite impression that the RN is seeking “unobtainium”

……the RN needs to be getting many other of the engineering basics right first

Also definitely lacking from this article are any comments about what professional engineering qualification(s) this team have got……..especially those of the leader……

  • because …..
  • …..without having the right people
  • …..who all have the right technical “right stuff” in this new team…
  • .. this initative is going to fall at the very first hurdle…

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

N-a-B

The leader is a dabber / warfairy.

Given what has come out of Navy X / OCTO and before that MASTT, suspect they need some real engineering expertise – which they try to contract out. But without any idea of what they actually need.

Supportive Bloke

Are you daring to suggest that knowledge and expertise are actually needed to convert warfare by PowerPoint into systems and executables?

I’m sure if you formed a small unit and gave everyone buzzword bingo titles Bob would be your uncle and aunt simultaneously in an instant?

Joking apart from the description of what they are trying to develop they need about 30 PhD level people with some degree of naval experience and then the same number of electronic engineers etc etc….oh and people used to getting stuff done….old school machine shop…..if they are going to get on with Victorian engineering!

Lee

What they will need is a commercial service function that has a serious set of Jacob’s and is prepared to work in the grey zone of precurement policy and process.

You can have all the PhD and brightest minds you like generaring great ideas to transition to technology but if, and they odds on will, get bogged down by jobs worth commercial officers and management competing everything to death at grat expense and time, this iniciative will be just like those that all tried and all failed before them.

Been there, seen it, got a 100 T-shirts!

Nig e

The Navy are clearly trying to get ahead of the curve,but I don’t think they have the ability or money to identify what the curve is?

Supportive Bloke

Let me help you.

When a wet shoe lace is undone and you put your other foot on it and you pull it gently it forms a catenary curve.

The only problem is you generally don’t notice the progressive formation of the curve until you are flat on your face.

So it becomes a problem of Schrödinger’s shoelace in that you cannot observe the curve either before it is formed or when you are flat on the floor?

There FIFY.

Duker

Cough cough. The RN has been behind most of the Ukrainian navy clever attack drones on the Black Sea, with RN personnel in Ukraine to implement and assist.

https://www.naval-technology.com/news/uk-leaks-development-of-snapper-and-wasp-naval-drones-for-ukraine/

Hay

Drink some Cough syrup and watch Dirty Harry

Duker

Reliable sources say otherwise. There wont be a photo spread in Navy Lookout, yet … for a few years at least.

AlexS

So did they forgot HMS York(1928)?

Nigel Collins

Posted today on Jane’s.

“The Saab Multi-Shot Mine Neutralisation System (MuMNS) being supplied to the navies of France and the UK as part of the Maritime Mine Countermeasures (MMCM) minehunting suite has completed a first successful firing in an operationally representative environment.

Announcing the test milestone on 23 April, the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (Organisation Conjointe de Coopération en matière d’ARmement: OCCAR) said that a munition was successfully trialled at the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) test centre in Motala lake, southern Sweden.

Being delivered by Thales (as prime contractor), MMCM is an autonomous ‘system of systems’ designed to detect and localise mine threats and other underwater explosive devices down to depths of 300 m and then deploy a capability to identify and neutralise those threats. OCCAR is acting as contracting management authority on behalf of the French Direction générale de l’armement and the UK Defence Equipment and Support organisation.

The full MMCM end-to-end suite comprises unmanned platforms, minehunting payloads (sensors and neutralisers), and remote command centres (deployed from a ship or sited ashore) hosting command and sonar analysis software. Saab is supplying MuMNS – the neutraliser component – as a subcontractor to Thales.

Deployed from an unmanned surface vessel, MuMNS uses a ruggedised remotely operated vehicle (ROV) to deploy disposal charges onto mine targets by means of a ‘nail gun’ attachment function. In a live operation, the ROV would ‘nail’ a disposal charge to up to three mine targets and then retreat to a safe distance prior to detonation.”
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Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Nigel

A very useful link.

Many thanks to you for posting it

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So, the BOQ (Bl**ingly Obvious Question) is coming next….

  • Why can dothe remarkably small Swedish Navy – working cooperatively with Swedish Indsutry – thus making this autonomous MCM stuff work properly!
  • Whereas, on the other hand – and after more than a decade of trials – the UK and RN “can’t do” this MCM?

Is it a result of

  1. genetic malfunctions (i.e. not enough tall blonds now working in UK R&D?)
  2. or climate change (note 1)?
  3. or the UK not having enough immigrants working in defence industry STEM (note 2)?
  4. or do we employ far too many Oxbridge educated T****e*s is the corridors of power?
  • Answers on the back of an envelope please: or post them here on NL (it’s free).

However, if you are a bone idle bar steward, you can use multiple choice answers:

…….which is, of course why………..

….. I have labelled the only four possible explanations up as nos 1 to 4 for you….

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Note 1.

Why not?….climate change gets blamed for everything else.

..either that or the Spanish did not have enough AAA batteries in their tube trains i.e. to power them when the weather became rather too cloudy over their biggest solar farm

Note 2.

The very latest trendy four letter acronym: one invented by an arts graduate working in a government sponsored PR spin department (What used to be known as “propaganda”)

Fat Bloke on Tour

Why does the whole end to end system need unmanned platforms?
Why does the REOV have to be deployed from an unmanned vessel?
What manned function is supporting this unmanned system?

Who or what is providing the sonar data that is being analysed remotely / onshore?
Is that system unmanned and if yes what manned support does it need.

Interesting contraption to do the disposing / Other elements in play starting to look like a dog’s breakfast. System of systems — can we please retire this phrase ASAP?

Does the RN have any smart / fancy / high tech mines to deploy at the moment?
Sitting on a MOD shelf somewhere waiting for a call?
Or have we given up and only play defence?

Fat Bloke on Tour

Heavy vibes that all this is being done to give someone a promotion.
Another layer of bureaucracy to complicate matters.

Technobabble to the fore — not much about generating a new reality.
Everything has to involve AI and be fully autonomous.

We have been here before with the lights out factory.
The secret is not the elimination of local humans it is the rationing of local humans.

Boot up the erse time for the RN brains trust.
All talk and little delivery is not the way it works in Ukraine.

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Fat Bloke on Tour

All of Spainish and Portuguse factories were “lights out” yesterday

So why is the UK so far behind?

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Nig e

It’s all a bit “Net Zero”..no one’s sure if theres a goal at the end of it! Or will it all be a waste of time and money!

Fat Bloke on Tour

Net zero — there is a goal but no-one wants to say it.
Plus it has been taken up by various hobby horsers and unworldly absolutists.

Lets start with reducing the money flows to the oil exporting states.
See where that takes us and how things might change.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Pebble in the pond time …
How would the MOD / RN brains trust have handled the need for “airbags”?

Put in the development so that they are cheap / good / available?
Or built a small batch at eye wateringly high costs and moved them between ships as the came in and out of service?

The MOD’s use of resources is wasteful / lazy / ignorant in equal measure.
World class in Powerpoint and little else.
Tim — nice but dim — lives on.
Not a joke anymore.
Unfortunately.

Fat Bloke on Tour

Civilian regulatory frameworks — how is it that civilians can work at pace with the same regulations but the MOD cannot?

Reeks of the MOD lacking experience / smarts / minerals and taking a safety first approach as they are working from a standing start of little knowledge and no experience and rotating the personnel every two years.

Peter Gardner

Perhaps they coukd do something useful like stopping the illegal migrant boats invading Britain.

Nig e

Don’t you remember that little boy and the Dyke!..

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)

Nig e

Following the (very rare) outbreak of common sense seen in the UK Supreme Court the other week…..

I am pleased to see that the editor of NL (Note 1) has allowed your excellent double-entendre of “finger in the dyke” – as wriitten in your of post of yesterday – to remain lIve!

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As for Peter Gardner’s suggestion that the very-recently-formed RN Disruptive Capabilities and Technologies Office (DCTO) rapidly develops advanced high-tech solutions to deliver on the PM’s promises to “Stop the Boats”  

  • I have only one thing to say in reply:
  • THE NEED IS URGENT = SO WE CAN’T POSSIBLY WAIT THAT LONG!!!!

Peter (Irate Taxpayer)

Note 1:

To protect the editor’s true identify from any possible retributions by LGBT activists reading this post on social media: I shall deliberately conceal his identify by only using his offical codename here = “Pete”

Keith Scivier

The Royal Navy could engage with businesses like Roke, who helped with STARTLE® a biologically inspired threat monitoring system that detects anomalous or threatening conditions by emulating the mammalian conditioned-fear response mechanism. It helps RN rapidly detect and assess threats in complex and evolving situations. Roke and UK SME’s have the intellectual and engineering horse power to deliver the necessary AI/ML products the RN need and want to delver s step change in capability. We can not help with the current issues over fleet size or availability, which appears a challenge at the moment in time.