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Nigel Collins

Some interesting data on the RAF P-8. six more are required PDQ, and with some teeth!

“The UK’s RAF P-8A Poseidon fleet, comprising nine aircraft, cost approximately £3 billion to procure, including support infrastructure and initial training.”
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Last edited 1 month ago by Nigel Collins
Duker

Compare to the openess of the US were actual contract awards are publicised
This for their Nov 2024
Boeing has secured a contract modification valued at $1.68 billion to manufacture and deliver seven Lot 13 P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft to the U.S. Navy.

Actual ex factory cost for delivery in next few years is around US$240 mill each. Once the RAF has got its Poseidon infrastructure, training systems, weapons etc thats roughly what a new one ‘each year’ would cost.
But under the Byzantine budgeting rules , the RAF would have to ‘give up’ something else to have more P-8.
And the actual yearly cost of the RAF maritime surveillance mission would never be revealed , but should.
But how long before that too isnt enough to maintain the fleet they have as news that the fairly recent RAF Hawk T2 fleet has become barely usable and wont last till 2040. Clearly a slow defunding of the yearly and longer term maintenance/refit costs

Fat Bloke on Tour

The curse of big round numbers in today’s UK political environment.
All about the headlines — the bigger the number must surely mean better.
Asset costs never published — everything is wrapped up with training and maintenance,

Hawk T2 fleet — so bad that the RAF pips are squeaking loud and long.
You have to wonder just how bad things are when it is now so public.
Was the deal some sort of rental arrangement / flying by the hour?
Training as a service deal?

Big disappointment that the Hawk was never replaced.
Market leader at one time and now left behind by about half a dozen aircraft.

Surely light fighters / unmanned second string aircraft must have a future.
We will be very lucky if we buy 100 Tempests if we ever get that far.

From 50 frigates / escorts to 50 fighters in a lifetime — surely not.

Irate Taxpayer (Peter)
  • NL Editor

When these old crewed minesweepers / minehunters are retired by the RN, which is planned to be “quite soon” ….

…. is this this key naval capability i.e. the ability to shadow a Russian ship through UK home waters….-

…..going to be replaced by one of those new-fangled unmanned MCM-USV’s thingy’s?

  • Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Jimmy Jones

Rumour has it that Cattistock has been training with the Gosport Ferry in preparation for her new roll.

Hugo

Did my comment seriously get deleted

Jimmy Jones

Lot’s of comments disappear from here, on another article 50% of comments were deleted. There are a couple of regulars who actively report comments with the sole aim to get them removed.

Jimmy Jones

I see many comments removed after certain members say they are reporting them even when It’s those members who initiate the abuse. It certainly appears to me that these members are immune to the rules.

Supportive Bloke

Not entirely true.

Firstly, I fully appreciate that this is an editorial nightmare with trolls of all flavours floating around.

One regular contributor stated he had naval design training – or words to that effect.

I responded asking if he had RINA after his name.

That was removed.

Hardly offensive and very much to the point?

Jimmy Jones

On a previous article, 12 of 24 comments were removed, I really didn’t see any reason why. Especially after I read the rules as the editor suggested.