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Ron

Thank you for a very good assesment of what next. This is something that appears to be missing from the tabloids and the public. One thing I do hope is that in her radar and self defence trials that some sea ceptor canisters are given so that she can try out the effectivness ofthis weapon as she is designed to carry it. As for the F35 rool on 2018 and then lets see what she can do. Good luck QE.

Alan

Is she designed to carry it? How?

ron

I wrote a letter to my MP who then passed on my question on this subject the reply stated that she is equipped for but not fitted with a point defence missile system. Seeing that the future point defence missile is the Sea Ceptor this is what I expect would be carried when needed. Her Radar sysytems are capable so I expect it will be istalled on sponsons that are open. I did send a copy of my questions and the reply to save the RoyalNavy because it covered several diffrent areas not only about the QE defence system but the T31, T 26, T 45 and operational useage.

ATH

She would need quite a lot of work to fit a sea ceptor system. At the moment there are only test rounds available which are needed for the T23 trial. I doubt we will see an air defence missile on QW this side of 2025 if then.

ron

Sea Ceptor is alreadt fitted to the T23 and is fully operational, I do agree that the likliyhood that she will have a fully installed system before 2025 but then again it is possible to strip the T23 of there systems when the are decommissioned and install them on the QE PoW. That what I would do but then I’m only a simple ex-military engineer so i’m seen as thick as two short planks.

ATH

Are you sure that the system is fully operational on the T23. My understanding is that 3 ships have the hardware but that no test firings have yet taken place. HMS Argyll Is due to start test fireings later this year.

4thwatch

Land system for Falklands. Industry waiting for juicy def contract for more maritime mounts.

andrew reeves

even the exocets in storage after removal from previously retired ships could be encamped on west falkland.

andrew reeves

montrose too

Dern

The problem is most of the equipment that is going to be stripped off the Type 23’s when they decomission is going to go straight onto the Type 26’s.

andrew reeves

i see the new u.s carriers, along with many of its ships are to fitted with the raytheon 116 dual ciws and anti air system which to the treasury delight comes in at a reasonable$800000 per unit which has a space need almost the same as a phalanx

Iqbal Ahmed

I just hope we don’t send her out to the South China Seas to ‘test’ the Chinese. She should be deployed in our home waters or to support a NATO ally.
How would we like it if an ex Imperial power of Opium wars fame sailed up the Channel?

ron

They do.

Dern

When someone sails warships up the channel (for example Russia) we watch them closely and escort them through. Happens all the time.

Pounce

“How would we like it if an ex Imperial power of Opium wars fame sailed up the Channel?”
I can assure you , any visit to the region will include a visit to Chinese ports. Big difference

andrew reeves

go away you fool and take your vile childish politics with you. you are a fool.

Paul

Am I right in thinking she is unable to defend herself at present ? Is she protected by other ships / aircraft at Portsmouth ???

Dern

Correct, she is not commissioned yet, and so, even if she was fitted with weapons at the moment she wouldn’t be allowed to use them. It would be like a container ship in a harbour opening fire on someone in terms of legality.
HMNB Portsmouth is the largest Naval base in England, and there are usually type 45’s and type 23’s alongside there. Even then, we are not at war at the moment, so the risk is somewhat minimal.

Pounce

Paul,
The Carriers are meant to be fitted out with 3 Phalanx CIWS and soft kill systems (Modern day equivalent of Chaff). Carriers are meant to have an escort, however, successive governments have ensured that in future that will be a lady of the night rather than a dedicated ship.

Michael

In the near term she will be working up in the home waters where one would suppose she will be under the cover of the RAF or an escorting warship. While in port, she will have the force protection that all naval assets have.

GlobalNavyexpert

What sort of decoys will the 2 QECs get?

Pounce

I for one simply cannot believe we can build a ship of this size and not fit her out with a catapult. That will come back to haunt us in the future.

4thwatch

What sort of catapult? That is the question.

Grubbie

Rely on the F35 being supreme for the next 50 years? 20 year project, easily put out of action if not sunk.One year minimum to get the spare carrier up to speed, crewed and equipped. About a decade to replace sufficient escorts.

andrew reeves

it already is doing f 35b’s are going to japan before us.

Ade

We would like to visit Portsmouth this week to see this great vessel. Is there a viewing area, and equally important, how long is she due to be in Portsmouth?

Gerry

She will be there for the next 12 months while they try to recruit enough free to deploy her.

Mannion

She already has her full ships company and has done for some time Gerry you whining, negative ballbag.

andrew reeves

she’ll be out again soon for phase two of her trials.

Bungey

There is no dedicated Viewing area, though you can clearly see her stern from the public area around HMS Victory. I took a harbour tour cruise last Saturday (£8-00) and it goes right past her. She is bloody big!

Roger

Not really to do with ‘big lizzie’ but when to Eastbourne Airborne today. Nothing from theBay FAA Not even one helicopter. In the ‘Service’supplied Exhibition. The raf had a significant presence, with 17 static displays and 3 aircraft displays. The army had 7 static displays and a parachute display team. Royal Navy…. the mobile recruiting trailer……….. come on lads… don’t you want anyone to join?
In the past there use to be large models of ships and the static aircraft at these types of shows… couldn’the HMS Queen Elizabeth’s makers be asked to donate a large model for mutual publicity…..?

Iqbal Ahmed

What’s her engine noise level?
Someone in the Guardian mentioned the Russians could hear it from Vladivostok when it leaves port.

David Stephen

They probably can’t hear you in Vladivostok but I bet they can smell the bullshit you talk pal.

andrew reeves

ignore the fool he’s just a wind up merchant with no place on this site, his vile blinkered politics are an insult to a nation that has no doubt cosseted since sneaking onto our shores. one day he’ll have everything he writes moderated out i suffer the same problem, when i rip into this pathetic idiot my posts re not posted, but moderated out. its time the same equality’ was applied to him.

Grubbie

Can’t wait for the next article. Ofcouse the strongest argument against the big carriers is you lot constantly moaning about a lack of other ships.

Trevor Walhen

I don’t like the ship’s name abbreviated to QE, it should be its full name and in italics, imagine HMS Prince of Wales abbreviated – POW! Also it should be realised that the two names are from old battleships and not of the present monarchy, although the gesture was probably taken into consideration, rather the naming them after two well established line of aircraft carriers from the last century – Ark Royal and Hermes, the latter having been the first ship to trial aircraft back in 1913 and (2nd) the first aircraft carrier to be built from the keel (in the world) – 1918/1919.

Iqbal Ahmed

And what do you have to say about the fact that both carriers are named after a family of bone idle people forever reliant on public handouts? The House of Sax Coburg Gota has it far too good.
The only people who seem to get pilllried around here are ordinary people needing welfare assistance! Imagine the ships we could purchase if we didn’t have to support the extravagant lifestyles of the ‘hangers-on’ Royals like Euginie and Beatrice, who take 20 holidays a year in between doing nothing.

David Stephen

Those are the ramblings of a madman.

Iqbal Ahmed

Don’t forget to doff your cap to your betters!

andrew reeves

go back to wherever you came from pakistan, still taking from the nation and away from the country that you are no doubt happy to take from, but not give anything back to. take your narrow blinkered politics elsewhere,MODERATORS, GET THIS INSULTING FOOL OFF THE SITE HE IS AN OFFENSIVE FOOL.

andrew reeves

and how does that qualify you, abone idle foreigner, to attack one of the main institutions that country is proud of. your persistent left wing rambling is offensive and unwanted. on behalf of those using the site, get lost and take your politics with you, you annoying troll you have never served this nation,which no doubt you have stolen from by its beniifits and multiculturalism if you take a holiday, then i’ve no doubt it will be this nation that pays for it. which you seem to be so bothered to constantly slag off with your nonsensical politics.if the moderators of this site had anything about them, you would be prevented from posting on here. g back under your stone the house of saxe gota is our business not yours . go away you fool

andrew reevesa

please will you pass this to the P.M with the request that i don’t want to wait 3 months for a half hearted reply like i’ve been doing on a regular basis harriet harmans re gurgiation of a worn out manifesto isn’t good enough, the nation deserves better. destroyers breaking down, frigates 5 years late, aircraft carriers with no planes, a patrol fleet of unarmed coast guard level boats, the type 31 frigate being designed on the back of a cigarette packet, the nations flagship up for sale, withdrawal of amphibious capability, who is responsible for all this and what will be done about it? the ROYAL NAVY royal laughing stock more like HAPLESS INEPT GOVERNMENT MINISTERS MAKING A TOTAL MESS OF THE NATIONS SECURITY. get it bloody well sorted out, sake those responsible for this on going fiasco, don’t fob taxpayers off with clap trap about new aircraft carriers and cutting edge aircraft. its all a lie and you’ve been found out.
an

Ron

I wonder if someone who is tech savvy can answer a question for me. With the QEs expecting to be in service for the next 50 years aircraft design will change. We are seeing the changes even now with more advanced pilot-less aircraft. The UK has the BaE test bed Taranis which is a stealth aircraft without a pilot. These are more than capable of being used from aircraft carriers, the US Navy is testing and bringing into operation the X-47B or the MQ-25. However, these aircraft require catapults and arrestor gear, again the US navy is introducing the electro-magnetic catapult.
My question is can an electro-magnetic catapult be installed into the ski jump of a RN carrier?
Is there space available for the arrestor gear?
If it is possible to install possibly the government should think about buying the equipment for the two carriers over a ten year period including two sqns of either Taranis, X-47Bs or MQ-25s and then when the vessels go in for a major refit the equipment would be there waiting.
I hope that these upgrades are possible as it would give the FAA the possibility of air-air refueling and deep strike SAM suppression without the risk to the F35 pilots.